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[检验及监测] 制药用水微生物检测收集放置时间2小时

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发表于 2017-7-12 22:39:26 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式

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usp1231中有要求收集2小时内检测微生物,否则放入2-8℃下可保藏12小时,这是那一版本usp开始有这个要求的?生效是哪一年?
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发表于 2017-7-13 07:30:36 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 工作QQ 于 2017-7-13 07:34 编辑

MICROBIAL ENUMERATION CONSIDERATIONS
The objective of a water system microbiological monitoring program is to provide sufficient information to control and assess the microbiological quality of the water produced. Product quality requirements should dictate water quality specifications. An appropriate level of control may be maintained by using data trending techniques and, if necessary, limiting specific contraindicated microorganisms. Consequently, it may not be necessary to detect all of the microorganisms species present in a given sample. The monitoring program and methodology should indicate adverse trends and detect microorganisms that are potentially harmful to the finished product, process, or consumer. Final selection of method variables should be based on the individual requirements of the system being monitored.
It should be recognized that there is no single method that is capable of detecting all of the potential microbial contaminants of a water system. The methods used for microbial monitoring should be capable of isolating the numbers and types of organisms that have been deemed significant relative to in-process system control and product impact for each individual system. Several criteria should be considered when selecting a method to monitor the microbial content of a pharmaceutical water system. These include method sensitivity, range of organisms types or species recovered, sample processing throughput, incubation period, cost, and methodological complexity. An alternative consideration to the use of the classical “culture” approaches is a sophisticated instrumental or rapid test method that may yield more timely results. However, care must be exercised in selecting such an alternative approach to ensure that it has both sensitivity and correlation to classical culture approaches, which are generally considered the accepted standards for microbial enumeration.
Consideration should also be given to the timeliness of microbial enumeration testing after sample collection. The number of detectable planktonic bacteria in a sample collected in a scrupulously clean sample container will usually drop as time passes. The planktonic bacteria within the sample will tend to either die or to irretrievably adsorb to the container walls, reducing the number of viable planktonic bacteria that can be withdrawn from the sample for testing. The opposite effect can also occur if the sample container is not scrupulously clean and contains a low concentration of some microbial nutrient that could promote microbial growth within the sample container. Because the number of recoverable bacteria in a sample can change positively or negatively over time after sample collection, it is best to test the samples as soon as possible after being collected. If it is not possible to test the sample within about 2 h of collection, the sample should be held at refrigerated temperatures (2–8) for a maximum of about 12 h to maintain the microbial attributes until analysis. In situations where even this is not possible (such as when using off-site contract laboratories), testing of these refrigerated samples should be performed within 48 h after sample collection. In the delayed testing scenario, the recovered microbial levels may not be the same as would have been recovered had the testing been performed shortly after sample collection. Therefore, studies should be performed to determine the existence and acceptability of potential microbial enumeration aberrations caused by protracted testing delays.
USP32是有的,USP28是没有的。http://www.newdruginfo.com/pharm ... p28nf23s0_c1231.htm
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药徒
发表于 2017-7-13 07:02:37 | 显示全部楼层
学习中、、、、、
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发表于 2017-7-13 08:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
工作QQ 发表于 2017-7-13 07:30
MICROBIAL ENUMERATION CONSIDERATIONS
The objective of a water system microbiological monitoring pro ...

专业好久没看药典了。

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哪里专业,随意查查而已,虽然都不是最新版USP。 召唤神龙吧,巴西木老兄在吗?  详情 回复 发表于 2017-7-14 11:10
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发表于 2017-7-13 08:40:14 | 显示全部楼层
工作QQ 发表于 2017-7-13 07:30
MICROBIAL ENUMERATION CONSIDERATIONS
The objective of a water system microbiological monitoring pro ...

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-7-13 13:51:15 | 显示全部楼层
工作QQ 发表于 2017-7-13 07:30
MICROBIAL ENUMERATION CONSIDERATIONS
The objective of a water system microbiological monitoring pro ...

那就是2011年左右的事情,查到了33是有的29也没有

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这个算最终答案么?@巴西木@俪无悔  详情 回复 发表于 2017-7-14 11:09
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发表于 2017-7-14 11:09:18 | 显示全部楼层
lZFaReORbT 发表于 2017-7-13 13:51
那就是2011年左右的事情,查到了33是有的29也没有

这个算最终答案么?@巴西木@俪无悔
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发表于 2017-7-14 11:10:29 | 显示全部楼层
bhzj 发表于 2017-7-13 08:20
专业好久没看药典了。

哪里专业,随意查查而已,虽然都不是最新版USP。
召唤神龙吧,巴西木老兄在吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-7-14 21:49:22 | 显示全部楼层
工作QQ 发表于 2017-7-14 11:09
这个算最终答案么?@巴西木@俪无悔

就是查无果,让我十分的沮丧,法规查的抑郁。
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发表于 2017-7-15 16:03:26 | 显示全部楼层
一般是2小时内检测,如果特殊情况,可以放在经过验证的2-8℃冰箱内储藏12小时
建议尽快检测
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-7-15 19:52:55 | 显示全部楼层
lego 发表于 2017-7-15 16:03
一般是2小时内检测,如果特殊情况,可以放在经过验证的2-8℃冰箱内储藏12小时
建议尽快检测

从车间取样到取完送至实验室处理结束,两个小时会不会很紧张

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分样慢的,肯定紧张。。。。  详情 回复 发表于 2017-7-18 21:19
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药徒
发表于 2017-7-18 21:19:24 | 显示全部楼层
lZFaReORbT 发表于 2017-7-15 19:52
从车间取样到取完送至实验室处理结束,两个小时会不会很紧张

分样慢的,肯定紧张。。。。
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发表于 2017-11-29 22:04:04 | 显示全部楼层
lZFaReORbT 发表于 2017-7-15 19:52
从车间取样到取完送至实验室处理结束,两个小时会不会很紧张

一般是有取样储存箱(保温、能密封、易清洁),在储存箱内放置冰袋或冰盒以及datalog,取好水样放进储存箱中,只要储存箱中的温度一直保持2-8℃且在取样后12小时内检测就可以了。
也有公司的验证是在6小时内检测,结果不超标就好,时间自然是越短越好。
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